Baseball legend Ken Griffey Jr. talked about Michael Jordan during a recent conversation with retired NBA players Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson. Talking on All the Smoke, Griffey, revealing he has known the Chicago Bulls legend for over 20 years, talked about the competitiveness of Jordan.

Anybody who knows about Jordan wouldn’t need a new introduction about his competitive nature. Griffey felt, 17 years after Jordan’s retirement as a player, Jordan still shows signs of his competitiveness even as a team owner. However, he felt, it was not as much as his playing days.

“I’ve known Mike for 20-plus years—actually 25-plus—but you always heard about the intensity and how he was,” Griffey said. “Now you’re seeing a little bit of it now, but the thing is, you start laughing because you see him now after playing, owning a team, he still got that competitive edge. But he’s just not as fiery.”

Apart from Michael Jordan, Ken Griffey Jr. also talked about difference across sports

Griffey played in Major League Baseball (MLB) for 22 years. He started his career with Seattle Mariners in 1989 and played 10 years for them. He later played another eight years for Cincinnati Reds before short stints with Chicago White Sox and Seattle Mariners.

Over his career, Griffey was a 13-time All-Star and the AL MVP in 1997. He won the 10-time Golden Glove Award for 10 consecutive seasons from 1990 to 1999. He was also the home-run leader four times in his career.

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During his session on the All the Smoke, he talked about how his sport allows players to be less physical.

“I don’t take anything away from anybody’s other sport, whether it be football or basketball, because that’s a whole lot of pounding that y’all do that people don’t see,” Griffey said. “They don’t see the elbows to the ribs, the shots that you guys take going to the hole, the guys tackling and things like that.”

On the occasion of Father’s day, a documentary on the baseball Hall of Famer was set for a release. His father, Ken Griffey Sr., was also a baseball player and had played for Cincinnati Reds.